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Kathryn Bigelow Talks THE HURT LOCKER With Mr. Beaks!

At some point over the last twenty-three years, between ALIENS and the execrable TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN, action cinema gave way to activity cinema. Whether this is a case of art imitating the clutter of everyday life, or just sheer laziness born out of by-committee filmmaking, I have no idea. I only know that the terse, muscular, no-bullshit style favored by my heroes - people like Walter Hill and John McTiernan - is so far out of vogue that an instant classic of the genre like Kathryn Bigelow's THE HURT LOCKER is currently being treated like art house fare.

This is especially frustrating because Bigelow's film isn't the least bit esoteric or inaccessible. Though there's plenty to deconstruct if that's your thing, THE HURT LOCKER is basically just a white-knuckler of a combat flick that takes the audience on a harrowing tour of duty with an Explosive Ordinance Disposal (EOD) unit in Iraq. Set during the height of the war, the movie follows a group of bomb techs (including Guy Pearce, Jeremy Renner, Anthony Mackie and Brian Geraghty) as they're called in to defuse Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), which, as we know all too well, quickly became the deadly weapon of choice for insurgents. The tension in the film is twofold: on one hand, you've got the intricately assembled bombs that have been hidden in everything from cars to human bodies; on the other, there are the Iraqi civilians who watch from windows and rooftops. Friend or foe? Wait long enough to find out, and you might just have a bullet tearing through your chest or a bomb going off in your face.

Though Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal (who based his excellent script on his own experiences as an embedded journalist during the war) are commenting on the addictive nature of warfare, the film isn't political at all. THE HURT LOCKER is about warriors and, occasionally, heroes who get a buzz from dancing around death for a living; it's about the fucked-up individuals without whom we cannot successfully wage war. And it is a reminder that Kathryn Bigelow is still one of our best action directors - even if her brand of action has more to do with old-fashioned stuff like character than artificial CG spectacle.

THE HURT LOCKER is only Bigelow's eighth feature since she made her debut twenty-seven years ago with THE LOVELESS (an interesting riff on THE WILD ONE starring Willem Dafoe). And while she is, in my mind, as gifted an action filmmaker as is working today, it's important to note that she has dabbled in many different genres (e.g. horror with NEAR DARK, sci-fi with STRANGE DAYS, and biblical epic with POINT BREAK). THE HURT LOCKER, obviously, is her war film. It is also her first masterpiece.

I spoke with Bigelow over the phone a few weeks ago, and tried my best to not sound like a fanboy who grew up worshipping NEAR DARK and, strangely enough, her killer episode of WILD PALMS (which concluded with a gunfight scored to The Animals' "House of the Rising Sun"). She very graciously never hung up on me.

Mr. Beaks: Was there ever a notion to try to set THE HURT LOCKER up at a studio?

Kathryn Bigelow: Actually, no. I've never made a studio film - which is perhaps not necessarily common knowledge. That's because studios have distributed or picked up my movies while we're in production. So, no, having access to a really terrific script, I wanted to protect it by maintaining complete creative control, final cut, and the opportunity to cast emerging talent. Those were my parameters going in. And working independently certainly gets you a long way there.

I also wanted to shoot it in the Middle East. I wanted to get as close to Iraq as possible. In fact, a couple of my locations were about five kilometers from the Iraqi border. So we were close. We were in Jordan, in and around the city of Amman. Basically, we raised the money independently, shot it independently, and we were fortunate enough to sell it to a distributor when we premiered [at the 2008 Toronto Film Festival].

Beaks: One of the keys was casting emerging talent. I can't imagine anyone other than Jeremy Renner in this role. But I wonder what would've happened had, say, Leonardo DiCaprio stumbled across this script and said, "This is my next movie." Though you wanted to go independent, do you think you could resist the extra money and exposure that might bring?

Bigelow: I think he's a fabulous actor, but I was so committed to Jeremy. I hate to speak in hypotheticals, but from early on, when the script was still somewhat unformed, I became aware of DAHMER and all of his subsequent work, and was extremely committed to Jeremy Renner being Sgt. James.

Beaks: In terms of story structure, how did you and Mark approach the story? Did you have specific set-pieces in mind first, and then build the characters out of those scenes?

Bigelow: As I'm sure you know, Mark was on a journalistic embed in Baghdad in the winter of 2004 with bomb squads. He was with various teams that would go out. You basically go out in the morning or afternoon, and... I think it's a solid forty-eight hours on, twenty-four hours off. It's fairly arduous and you basically move from suspicious objects to suspicious piles to suspicious wires; it's IED to IED to IED throughout the city. At the time, in 2004, I think Mark said there were twelve to fifteen teams of three to four men in Baghdad. This was kind of the beginning of the insurgency using IEDs as their primary weapons. I remember one of the techs turned to Mark while they were out on one of their missions and said, "We are the war. It's not a ground-to-ground or air-to-air war. It's ground troops patrolling the areas, looking for suspicious objects or wires or rubble piles and calling in the bomb squad." Now, there's obviously a lot more sophisticated equipment, but this was circa 2004.

So you come back from Iraq with this phenomenal firsthand observation about a day in the life of a bomb tech - or, as I would look at it, a day in the life of an individual who has the most dangerous job in the world. That dictated the structure of the script: that kind of reportorial, observational approach. And the character, to answer your other question, would be revealed through activity. So, in other words, imagine you as an audience member or a reporter as a fly on the wall observing these techs, and they reveal themselves bit-by-bit to you through activity.

Beaks: The most fascinating element about these missions is that as they're defusing these bombs, they're surrounded on every side by people who might want to do them harm. It's not like most bomb disarming scenes we see in movies. Usually, the focus is just on the man and the bomb.

Bigelow: Right, and unlike in other conflicts, there is no refuge, there is no Saigon. Even in the Green Zone, a mortar round can come through the roof. When I talked to the techs after their tours of duty or the Blackwater guys who were with us while we were shooting, it's basically a 24/7, 360-degree threat environment. I mean, the guy up on the balcony could be hanging out his laundry or calling in your coordinates for a sniper hit. It's one or the other! (Laughs in disbelief)

Beaks: One thing I don't think people take into account with these guys is how highly intelligent they have to be to get assigned to a bomb squad unit.

Bigelow: That's an aspect that's very, very critical. You're invited into EOD [Explosive Ordinance Disposal] because you've scored on an aptitude test at a very high level. You're definitely a rare kind of individual. And to amplify what you're saying, you have to take into consideration that this is a volunteer military. So these are individuals who have an extremely high IQ and have chosen - after being invited into EOD - to take on the most dangerous job in the world. When Mark came back and explained what it was like spending time with [the techs], that they were there by choice, provided a really interesting and rich psychological profile. And then I became aware of that book by Chris Hedges, WAR IS A FORCE THAT GIVES US MEANING, and in there... he's trying to unpack the nature of a volunteer military. And he speaks about the allure and attractiveness of combat - hence that quote at the beginning, "War is a drug."

(Laughs) It's complicated! I'm sorry! Yes, the film is designed as a piece of entertainment, which is why I think the script is so beautifully crafted. But there's also a high degree of substance and information that I particularly find very relevant.

Beaks: Absolutely! I'm really intrigued by that need to get back into it. And the fact that the biggest nightmare for [Sgt. James] is buying cereal at the grocery store. He can't imagine a life as horrifying as that, and would just prefer to be near death all the time.

Bigelow: I'll refer you back to Chris Hedges, who I think described it quite beautifully. He talked about the kind of purpose and meaning that he elicits in situ and that he can't find anywhere else. That type of individual. And I think that perfectly describes James. That kind of locking down on any given ordinance when everybody else in the city or area would be running from it. You see a kind of sense of purpose and meaning. And yet at the same time, they're very heroic and courageous individuals.

Beaks: And all of that comes through so palpably in Jeremy performance. I'm wondering how much of this you threw at him prior to shooting the film.

Bigelow: It was fairly evolved and well-articulated in the script. And on top of that, Jeremy spent time at Fort Irwin with the EOD techs there, and actually went through a kind of bomb squad boot camp if you will, where he put on a suit for the first time. That's a real heavy suit. It weighs approximately anywhere between 80 and 100 lbs. Those are real steel plates. It's not wardrobe. We shot in the Middle East in the summer with an average temperature of about 115 degrees. I obviously have profound respect for this actor.

But literally something as simple as his first exercise... the first exercise that they gave him - which apparently they give to everyone - was a pile of 200 paperclips on the floor, and you've got move one-by-one twenty feet away. First of all, you have limited oxygen. And, apparently, because of the heat inside the suit - which you compound with the elemental aspect of summer in Baghdad - your IQ drops ten to twenty points. And you're tasked to make what could potentially be a catastrophic decision. And that's when you're out in the field. I'm not talking about moving paperclips. But that's how they start you. It's a tremendous amount of rigor and precision and stamina that is required even before you get to the IED! (Laughs)

It's fascinating that the ground troops really stop the war for the bomb techs. The bomb techs are the star players; they're the quarterbacks of this particular conflict. So anyway, the ground troops have contained the 300 meter area, and the bomb tech, as you see with the opening sequence, is calling out their approximate relationship to the IED - 100 meters, 50 meters, 25 meters - as they get closer so that everybody is aware of his approach. I mean, let's say there's a tripwire, let's say there's a secondary initiating system, let's say there's a sniper hit... whatever. And they say at about 150 meters you're thinking of your family; you're trying to make peace with whatever you're about to encounter. And then at 25 meters, that's the point of no return, or what's referred to as the "kill zone". And sometimes not even a suit can help you there.

Beaks: I really want to ask you about the design and choreographing of these set-pieces. Do you storyboard?

Bigelow: I do board. In fact, I boarded all of the set pieces even while the script was in an early stage of development, before we had even found our locations. It gives me an opportunity to look at it graphically, and begin to imagine the choreography, the blocking, the camera positions, how many cameras I'll need, pacing, editing... I find it a really wonderful tool. But I also don't slavishly adhere to them. I tend to do one complete, fairly comprehensive pass, and then never look back. (Laughs) But what it does, is it gives... like, for instance, a shot that I find very kind of emblematic, where you're overhead and he's pulling up the det cord attached to the daisy chain? That's a shot that I found boarding and hung on to. But, yet, I basically wanted to let go of the boards so that [the film] doesn't feel too schematic and too mechanical, and feels very reportorial. That was really my overriding visual approach. And each take I would re-choreograph and re-position the cameras. The actor was never anticipating a camera either off his left or right shoulder; it was always kind of an element of surprise. And then because it was an element of surprise, it was easy to disappear in your mind.

What was so great about these actors - Jeremy, Anthony and Brian - had really done their homework. They knew how to work with the bomb suit, which does take two to three guys to put on, and what the protocol of bomb disarmament is. They were as close to replicating reality.

Beaks: I never questioned for a minute that these guys could do what they were doing onscreen.

Bigelow: Oh, thank you. That means so much. That sense of reality I think is really important. Within the EOD community, those who've seen it also appreciate its authenticity and its rigorous attention to detail.



THE HURT LOCKER opens this Friday, June 26th, in limited release. It will gradually go wider over the month of July. Do not miss it.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

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by yodalovesyou
Jun 26th, 2009
02:00:25 AM
Great interview and a great movie.
by Fortunesfool
Jun 26th, 2009
02:23:43 AM
What noise does a bum clock make?
by MelvintheMopBoy
Jun 26th, 2009
02:43:14 AM
best phrase you've ever written beaks
by drturing
Jun 26th, 2009
03:02:41 AM
And i cannot say enough
by drturing
Jun 26th, 2009
03:03:22 AM
Great point Beaks
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 26th, 2009
03:03:46 AM
drturing
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 26th, 2009
03:04:49 AM
Point Break
by warsinthesun
Jun 26th, 2009
03:59:26 AM
have you ever fired a gun into the air because you love
by ironic_name
Jun 26th, 2009
04:25:31 AM
someone too much to shoot them?
by ironic_name
Jun 26th, 2009
04:26:01 AM
kwis
by Mr Gorilla
Jun 26th, 2009
05:04:49 AM
Mr Gorilla
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 26th, 2009
05:21:50 AM
ironic_name, I think you were going for:
by raw_bean
Jun 26th, 2009
06:44:46 AM
so underated
by aclockworkkebab
Jun 26th, 2009
06:50:19 AM
hey kwis!
by Mr Gorilla
Jun 26th, 2009
06:54:04 AM
feel the love
by Mr Gorilla
Jun 26th, 2009
06:55:52 AM
STRANGE DAYS
by timmer33
Jun 26th, 2009
07:27:07 AM
Point Break was excellent
by krullboyisback
Jun 26th, 2009
07:46:35 AM
I love you Kathryn. There, I said it.
by Stuntcock Mike
Jun 26th, 2009
07:55:24 AM
I love you mrs Bigelow
by ominus
Jun 26th, 2009
08:05:24 AM
I wrote two film essays last year.
by Fortunesfool
Jun 26th, 2009
08:08:14 AM
yes raw_bean, but I wanted to mention the love aspect
by ironic_name
Jun 26th, 2009
09:15:08 AM
bo-ring
by JackRabbitSlim
Jun 26th, 2009
09:48:31 AM
Blue Steel is a MASTERPIECE
by fassbinder79
Jun 26th, 2009
09:48:43 AM
well done with the movie, bitch
by Mysterious_Volvo
Jun 26th, 2009
09:49:18 AM
Kathryn is GREAT at what she does.
by BillyMayesHere
Jun 26th, 2009
09:55:44 AM
JackRabbitSlim
by gotilk
Jun 26th, 2009
10:08:33 AM
STRANGE DAYS has one of the most unsettling scenes EVER.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jun 26th, 2009
10:31:18 AM
I am an EFF BEE EYE AGENT!
by Darth Busey
Jun 26th, 2009
11:32:21 AM
Mr Gorilla
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 26th, 2009
01:27:48 PM
that would be a waste of time
by Six Demon Bag
Jun 26th, 2009
02:04:32 PM
Mr. Nice Gaius, the Strange Days scene you cite (SPOILERS)
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 26th, 2009
02:51:12 PM
Maybe I should give this another shot
by theneonsamurai
Jun 26th, 2009
02:52:54 PM
Nasty In The Pasty
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jun 26th, 2009
03:02:11 PM
She really should...
by Zandunga
Jun 26th, 2009
04:01:00 PM
Re: Katherine Bigelow should direct a Megas XLR movie.
by Droogie Alex
Jun 26th, 2009
07:07:18 PM
sniper scene was dumb
by TheExterminator
Jun 26th, 2009
07:11:54 PM
Why oh why didn;t they give the new TERMINATOR movie to her!?!!
by MaxTheSilent
Jun 26th, 2009
07:29:32 PM
Giving her Terminator would have been bizarre
by Projectedlight
Jun 26th, 2009
08:31:06 PM
It would have been a natural choice to give her Terminator
by m_reporter
Jun 26th, 2009
09:45:15 PM
So when are we getting an ANAMORPHIC Strange Days DVD?
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 26th, 2009
10:30:45 PM
Strange Days is her masterpiece
by TurdontheRun
Jun 27th, 2009
01:26:14 AM
Strange Days is a top 10 film of the 1990's
by ugh
Jun 27th, 2009
02:50:06 AM
Really happy to see Strange Days getting so
by southafricanguy
Jun 27th, 2009
03:21:10 AM
Hey Turd, Kwis, mr gaius...whats up guys?
by southafricanguy
Jun 27th, 2009
03:22:59 AM
I cant wait for Avatar, im just so sick of all the
by southafricanguy
Jun 27th, 2009
03:28:52 AM
southafricanguy
by Projectedlight
Jun 27th, 2009
06:51:53 AM
projectedlight...lol dude. Yeah you are so
by southafricanguy
Jun 27th, 2009
07:11:00 AM
try to watch the opening scene of Starnge Days
by JohnRyder
Jun 27th, 2009
08:42:24 AM
however Strange Days is not perfect
by JohnRyder
Jun 27th, 2009
08:44:05 AM
Very Nice Piece, Beaks
by RobFromBackEast
Jun 27th, 2009
09:16:56 AM
William in one, John in the other
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Jun 27th, 2009
11:52:10 AM
Bigelow
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 27th, 2009
11:52:46 AM
Hey southafricanguy
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 27th, 2009
11:53:22 AM
you're cold because all
by johnnylawless2
Jun 27th, 2009
01:38:04 PM
Nice job Beaks
by wash
Jun 27th, 2009
02:41:27 PM
Strange Days
by TheNewDirector
Jun 27th, 2009
05:21:54 PM
Point Break
by The Mothman
Jun 28th, 2009
12:44:38 AM
This movie was excellence.
by Stuntcock Mike
Jun 28th, 2009
05:43:31 AM
Good indie drama
by Stalkeye
Jun 28th, 2009
06:17:36 AM
Awesome movie
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Jun 28th, 2009
08:12:57 PM
That's beautiful CharlesThomasMathews1978
by Toilet_Terror
Jun 28th, 2009
09:23:33 PM
Best MOVIE OF 2009! Go See It and Take your Friends!!!
by soloaj
Jun 28th, 2009
11:22:30 PM
Boots on the ground in 2004
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Jun 29th, 2009
01:01:11 AM
Look...
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Jun 29th, 2009
01:36:35 PM
Can't Figure Out the Disconnect
by BigEddieCalzone
Jun 29th, 2009
05:26:59 PM
Jeremy Renner for Best Actor
by reflecto
Jun 30th, 2009
10:56:04 AM
BTW Strange Days is awesome
by reflecto
Jun 30th, 2009
10:56:29 AM
this movie sounds
by SpawnofAchilles
Jun 30th, 2009
04:40:27 PM
please GO SEE THIS FILM!
by orange cinema
Jul 1st, 2009
10:51:01 PM
This chick is apparently a damn good director
by Rupee88
Jul 7th, 2009
09:52:18 AM
Hurt Locker opens nationwide July 24th
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 11th, 2009
11:05:23 AM
Hurt Locker opened in the Silicon Valley
by growltiger
Jul 12th, 2009
01:52:01 AM
Call
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Jul 12th, 2009
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